Go Pluck Yourself with Chris Gun

In this episode, we explore the inspiring story of actor and podcaster Chris Gun, whose career exemplifies that regional talent can shine globally with the right mindset, persistence, and craft. We discuss how Adelaide actors are making waves, the importance of embracing opportunities, and the power of a resilient mental attitude in navigating industry challenges.

Main insights:

• Success in acting depends as much on mindset and persistence as talent.
• Regional actors like Chris demonstrate that opportunities are accessible regardless of location.
• Building a career involves continuous learning—through on-set experience, workshops, and self-initiated projects.
• The misconception that regional markets lack opportunities is outdated; it's about visibility and making your own opportunities.
• The importance of maintaining fun and passion to sustain long-term growth in a competitive industry.
• Industry quiet periods are normal; use them for skill development, networking, and creating your own work.
• The "Go Pluck Yourself" philosophy emphasizes self-reliance and authentic conversations among actors.
• A diverse array of podcasts and self-education plays a crucial role in professional growth.
• Authenticity and owning your unique path are often what set you apart—formal training helps but is not the only route.
• Success stories like playing Noel Gallagher inspire regional actors to aim higher and think bigger.

As always, remember that success in acting is a journey of continuous growth, resilience, and self-belief. Whether you’re from a regional market or a major city, your unique voice and dedication are your greatest assets. Keep pushing, keep creating, and trust that opportunities will come when you do the work.

Find Chris on Instagram and Go Pluck Yourself as well.

And find Go Pluck Yourself on all good podcast platforms.

Transcript

David John Clark (00:00)

And welcome back everyone. Welcome to another episode of the Late Bloomer Actor. In today's engaging conversation, we dive into the world of acting with Chris Gun, talented actor right here from my hometown Adelaide. Listeners can expect to learn about the unique challenges and opportunities faced by regional actors, the importance of mindset and persistence in the acting industry. And this is a big one. How Chris's journey from the childhood performances to playing Noel Gallagher in a biopic showcases, the potential

for success regardless of your location.

insights into the realities of pursuing an acting career no matter where you are, whatever location and what stage you're at. So here we go, enjoy.

David John Clark (00:47)

Hello everyone and welcome back to another episode of the Late Bloomer Actor. Today we bring it back home to Adelaide again, but I promise you, we will be chatting about the world. So whether you're Adelaide based or one of my many overseas listeners, embrace yourself. We have in the room, Mr. Chris Gun. Welcome mate.

Chris Gun (01:03)

Hello mate, how are ya?

David John Clark (01:05)

I'm good. I'm good. Thank you very much for joining the Late Bloomer Actor podcast. And how are you today? Anyway, being a Monday, second of March.

Chris Gun (01:12)

⁓ I'm so good. It's 4 p.m.

The day's nearly done for me. I've done two jobs today, like cleaning jobs, my normal job. So it was a busy one. I'm tired, but I'm good. I'm sweet and happy to be here.

David John Clark (01:24)

No, ⁓

And I'm off the back of a night shift. So let's see, I might be a little bit tired for those watching on YouTube anyway. So, I did, I slept till I set my alarm for 12.30 and got up and then did the shopping. So, know, life is so exciting, isn't it? As actors!

Chris Gun (01:28)

Really?

my god. Nightshift, did you get any sleep?

good on you, man. Yeah,

we're living life.

David John Clark (01:48)

I

love it. I've still got the three boys at home. So it was a $600 shop today. $600. They do a little bit. They're all, they're all working and all three at uni still. So we've got to help them out a little bit. So mate, I wanted to bring you on because my podcast is talking to people who are involved in my journey as an actor. Now as actors, we haven't been on set together yet.

Chris Gun (01:51)

Oh dear? Whoa! 600 bucks? I hope they're chipping in,

Yeah.

David John Clark (02:16)

I think we've crossed paths. No, we've crossed paths at some courses and I think, and some functions, but you are the host of the brand new podcast. Albeit, be not so brand new now. You're quite a few episodes down. Go Pluck Yourself. So, and I've listened to every episode, which I absolutely love. So, and I've, I've had a few, no problems. I've, I've, I've got a list of about a good, I reckon 20 or so podcasts I listen to.

Chris Gun (02:16)

No, we haven't.

Yeah.

⁓ thanks, mate.

David John Clark (02:45)

My queue is usually about a day's worth as in time. So I'm always chasing the tail, so to speak, mostly actor podcasts, but then also some podcasts related shows as well. So it keeps me busy, Oh God, you're gonna put me on the fly there. Yes, they've been quiet for a little while.

Chris Gun (02:46)

Really?

What other acting podcasts do listen to?

Do listen, well, I'll help you. you listen to it In the Envelope?

They're

not as frequent as they used to be, that was like my Bible for years. I listened to every single episode. ⁓ I think that period was like a pivotal moment for me in figuring out my approach to acting. So that's definitely my favorite. ⁓

David John Clark (03:17)

Yeah. that I agree. 100%. 100%. A

lot have gone quiet. I don't know what is after COVID. There was lots to listen to everyone was doing it, Audrey Helps Actors was one of my biggest ones. Audrey.

Chris Gun (03:41)

yeah, yeah.

David John Clark (03:42)

Audrey's gone quiet. She hasn't done it for over a year now as well. I'm just trying to sneak here on my phone and give you a head. I've, I've, I've actually played, spoken to a few of my guests and this is my old age coming out and, memory. So, not acting, I listen to Smartless. I listen to a bunch of podcasting shows, Reality Check with Ross Coulthard. So I'm a bit into the, the alien stuff and, um, uh, disclosure for

Chris Gun (03:50)

Yeah, have a look.

Yes.

really?

David John Clark (04:07)

⁓ UAPs and stuff. that's big for us. ⁓ Casting Confidential, I listen to That One Audition with Alyshia Ochse. I've had her on the show.

Chris Gun (04:10)

Nice.

Okay. don't, I don't know.

I know Audrey Helps Actors. I don't know these other ones. I know Smartless, I listen to that fairly religiously.

David John Clark (04:21)

Yeah, so That one Audition is

good. She talks to a bunch of really top actors, but it's more about that one audition that, you know, they either hated or loved. So quite good. ⁓ Where are going?

Tipsy Casting out of the England? They are a couple of casting directors I listen to. ⁓ That One Audition again. And that's all I've got on my list at the moment. But as I said, I feel been quiet.

Chris Gun (04:42)

Okay, tipsy casting.

I like it, man. There's some good ones to listen

to. There's a few that I need to check out. I've only heard of a couple of those, I'll have to check some of those out. And The late Bloomer Actor.

David John Clark (04:52)

Hmm.

And you listen to the light bloom reactor,

How about the season five? Most, I do 10 episodes a year. That's, that's, we're in the forties now. Plus my, what I call my off script episodes, which are just some ad hoc ones that I throw in between. So I do monthly episodes with a guest and then some off script ones, which, you know, it's just something different to throw in there, when I, when I've got the time, so. But since we're on the topic anyway, just.

Chris Gun (05:02)

So how many episodes have you done?

Okay.

Nice.

Yep.

That's great, man. Awesome.

David John Clark (05:29)

for the people that don't know, give us a little bit of insight into Chris Gun, the actor, and, and then lead into your podcast. And then we'll go from there. But I, I must say firstly, before we go, we've had another Gun on the podcast, Carina Gun. I believe she's your mother. She was in season one. Yep. Season one. Yeah. Yeah. With Nick.

Chris Gun (05:38)

Mm.

Have you? that's my mum. Yeah, I know her. is she? yeah, no, I do. I remember her. I remember her coming on here with Nick. She came on with Nick.

Yeah.

David John Clark (05:53)

When Nick and Carina were both my agents, I've moved to a Sydney agent now, but they're still wonderful friends and great agents here in Adelaide and still your agents too, I believe. but no, she's just doing the kids training, still Kismet. So, and she's awesome teacher. I love it.

Chris Gun (05:59)

Yep.

Well, Nick is mom's not part of the industry or part of the agency at all anymore, she runs, yeah. Drama classes. So, and that she loves that she's great. Yeah. And she,

she knows heaps about the industry. Like she's been in it for so long and, she's a ray of sunshine, you know, she makes people smile. So, ⁓ yeah. Love my Mum.

David John Clark (06:25)

Is she what made you want? You do. Hi, Carina,

if you're listening. Is she what made you get into acting or was there another influence there?

Chris Gun (06:28)

Hi, Mum. ⁓

No, I mean,

I guess technically, I mean, she, she made me. So I was acting when I was a kid, like my, you know, my sister and I were both into drama and stuff when we were kids. We had a lot of extra curriculars when we were kids. So we were always doing drama classes, after school piano lessons, magic,

David John Clark (06:53)

Lived in a circus?

Chris Gun (06:53)

juggling and unicycling, lots of performance stuff, like just anything. I think my parents just found it. I thought it was really important

to keep us busy. Yeah. Like we literally would do circus. We would do the pageant as a whole, as a family. Like dad and I would ride unicycles through the pageant and stuff. And I'd go to juggling club with my dad. it was just every night of the week we had something else on. And it was just a really fun childhood. You know, I'm very, I feel very grateful and privileged to have

David John Clark (07:07)

Okay, wow.

Chris Gun (07:23)

had the, the, the childhood that I did have, was wonderful, you know, and it's definitely, it's definitely made it's definitely everything that I've, that I did as a kid has led me to who I am as a person now, obviously. So I guess we fell in love with, well, I fell in love with performing when I was a kid, cause I would play music, all the time. And, I used to be a busker,

David John Clark (07:28)

I love it.

Chris Gun (07:49)

And that led to playing full-time gigs in pubs, like playing guitar and singing. And ⁓ How did it turn into acting? I guess with acting, we were always, I don't know, we would just like, I went to Actors Inc and Actors Inc would get you,

David John Clark (07:53)

Wow. Time is back.

Chris Gun (08:10)

yeah, right. So they have like an agency, that's an agency as well and a very big agency. like, you know,

for someone that didn't have much experience like we did when we were kids, we would get extras work and stuff. And, you know, that was cool as a kid being on a set as an extra. And I didn't really think too much of it for, for many years, like actually pursuing acting. Until I, I think when Mum and Nick bought the agency off Chris Kosh, then the, the acting world became much more prominent.

David John Clark (08:20)

Mm.

Chris Gun (08:43)

Like, you know, from day to day conversations, you know, ⁓ so they, they bought the agency and then I would start going for auditions and still was very inexperienced. But then I landed a role in that, commercial Crazy K and I still, when I did that, you know, I did a pretty good job of it but it's still

David John Clark (08:45)

Hmm.

Chris Gun (09:08)

didn't consider acting afterwards. I remember saying to my friend, after I shot that, I was like, well, that was pretty fun. Like I think I did pretty, I think I did okay at that. And I'm like, maybe I could do that. And he's just like, nah, don't do that, bro. And I was like, yeah, yeah, you're right. I probably, probably won't do that. You know? And so I still just left it on the shelf for a while. And so it was just a thing that I would just, every now and then an audition would come up and I'd go for them and I usually wouldn't get them.

But it wasn't until 2020 or 2021 when I randomly decided to audition for Red Phoenix Theatre to do the Laramie Project. And I got into that and that experience was just the first time that I'd really experienced what it felt like to connect to a character or characters.

David John Clark (09:41)

Nice.

Of course.

Chris Gun (10:04)

And connect to a story and connect to a script and really understand what the point of the whole thing was. It wasn't just about entertaining or attention or whatever. It was about actually being part of a story and telling a story. That's where I really fell in love with it.

David John Clark (10:11)

Hello.

Especially the Laramie

project. Let's just dive straight in. That's a heavy topic.

Chris Gun (10:25)

Yeah, yeah, totally. It was three hours,

three hour play. You're on stage the whole time. We're playing seven characters each. It was, it was like, yeah, the deep end, man. And, you know, we sold out every single show. We got really good reviews. Was just, thanks man. Yeah. So, so for that to be like my first experience back into theater, bear in mind, I did like theater in high school, like drama in high school, all through high school. So I definitely, you know,

David John Clark (10:50)

Okay, so you've been on stage.

Chris Gun (10:53)

I mean, I grew up on stage. just never considered pursuing acting. Again, that was the first time I really, you know, it was more than just being the class clown, you know, who was actually telling a story.

David John Clark (11:05)

More

of owning it and running with it and getting that in depth, doing it for real.

Chris Gun (11:11)

Yeah. And collaborating

with other actors and analyzing the script properly. I think when you're young, in your twenties or when you're 18, especially in high school acting is about, attention. But when you're in your twenties, still like you, you're, you're frontal. What is it? Prefrontal

Cortex is still developing. Maybe mine still is. I don't even know what it's called. I don't think it clicked for me for a little while until I was in my late twenties. And I think a lot of things didn't click for me until my late twenties, like just life in general, you know? So, no, no. I mean, well, I mean that maybe, maybe that's

David John Clark (11:44)

There's nothing wrong with that.

Chris Gun (11:49)

appropriate for the name of your podcast.

David John Clark (11:52)

Yeah, well, I mean, the term late bloomer is it's all sorts of things. I mean, it sort of alludes to the fact that something in your 40s, but, know, late bloomers can be in your 20s. mean, you've.

Chris Gun (12:02)

40s is so young man, what are you talking about? I'm 34,

like 40, I need to consider 40s young, cause it's gonna come quickly.

David John Clark (12:09)

Well, yeah. Well, how about we do fifties? Cause I'm 53 in May. So I'm getting old now. Thank you. Hey, before we pivot into your podcast, what I wanted, and I know you talk about this on your show all the time and you joke about, we never talk about this, but you were fortunate to play the role of Noel Gallagher in Robbie Williams' biopic, Better Man. Let's get it straight in, straight out front.

Chris Gun (12:14)

⁓ no, you don't look a day over 52.

Sure.

I was, yeah.

David John Clark (12:37)

It's on my list to see actually I I missed out at the cinema, unfortunately, but, and for my younger listeners here, Noel Gallagher is from the awesome English band, none other than Oasis who believe have made a comeback. Is that correct? Or is it concept?

Chris Gun (12:50)

Yeah, they've just finished a

massive tour. They hadn't toured. ⁓ I'm going to get the, the, the times wrong here, but they, yeah, they split up for a very long time. It was like, we thought that we're never going to get back together. And then they announced their reunion. The brothers didn't talk the, Gallagher brothers didn't talk for many, many years. And so when they go back together, it was a big deal for Oasis fans.

David John Clark (12:57)

That's

Chris Gun (13:12)

Yes. And I just saw them in Sydney last year, which was mad. I couldn't see them. were this big. I was so far back, but I'm sure they were there.

David John Clark (13:16)

Awesome. You're at the back.

⁓ Jesus, it's to get tickets to a concert these days. Any seat, let alone a good one.

Chris Gun (13:23)

very, man, and

so expensive, but it was a great experience just to be, you know, in that, in that crowd, in that stadium, the, the energy was pretty unreal, you know, it's cool. But yeah, I played Noel Gallagher which was wild. I still can't believe that happened.

David John Clark (13:36)

I can imagine. I can imagine.

And I know, as I said, you have talked about it a lot on your podcast, so people can go there to get some insights into that. But what I wanted to talk into about is, stepping into the role of Noel Gallagher really showed a lot of Adelaide actors what's possible. There's a lot of misconceptions, whether they're wrong or right in Adelaide that include, are just, we're overlooked for any acting opportunities of merit. So you're getting this role. Do you feel that this shows that the world can be open to Adelaide actors or more importantly, ⁓

Chris Gun (14:03)

Mm.

David John Clark (14:09)

any regional based actor in any market around the world?

Chris Gun (14:13)

100%. Like, I, it bothers me so much that that is even a thing. We make so many good projects here. Like there's so much talent here. There's amazing crews here. I mean,

some of the best Australian films were made in South Australia, you know, ⁓ and some of the best actors, the pro the problem, what happens is people leave Adelaide and, it's kind of once you get anywhere, you leave and that's, that's kind of why I think that's why that is a thing. It bothers me and

David John Clark (14:36)

And some of the best actors are from South Australia. ⁓

Yeah.

Chris Gun (14:49)

I'm a little bit defiant, I don't really want to go anywhere. I love Adelaide. I grew up here. My whole family's here. We have self tapes now. If they really want you, they can fly you into state. The process should be the same as if you were interstate. So yeah, I think that's probably part of the reason why I didn't think it was possible to get a role like Noel Gallagher in Better Men.

David John Clark (14:55)

Hmm.

Definitely.

Mm.

Chris Gun (15:15)

when Nick called me and said, Hey, there's this movie and they're looking for Liam Gallagher. Cause I was meant to play Liam originally. ⁓ And I just said, nah, man, that's like, said, no, I said, no, I, there's no way I can do that. They're not going to pick me. I'm in Adelaide. I thought it might be shot in the UK. But he's like, no, it's shot in Melbourne. And I said, whatever man.

David John Clark (15:23)

That's right.

Chris Gun (15:43)

No, that's, it's, that's not my gig, bro. I literally said that. And

David John Clark (15:47)

Wow.

Chris Gun (15:49)

he said, he called me later and he said, look, they haven't actually asked to see you. But I think you have a good chance. I don't know why, but sure. And he said, just send some, no, he, no, he didn't, he didn't tell me to record anything. He, he asked if I had any old videos of me singing. Cause we didn't know what was

required of the role yet. We just knew there was Liam Gallagher. He was meant to be in the film. And so we thought, well, maybe he's going to be singing or something. So we, and he was like, just send a video of you singing. And I said, well, all the old videos of me singing were like, I don't know, Red Hot Chili Peppers and Angus and Julia Stone and stuff. So it wasn't very like Liam Gallagher-esque. So I just, I recorded a cover that night and sent that in. And then I think it was like the next day or a couple of days later, the casting directors,

David John Clark (16:15)

Gotcha. you

Chris Gun (16:41)

Who was it? Telford and Leonard casting. They, they requested to, to, for me to officially audition. So I had like a couple of weeks, three or four weeks to actually prepare for the audition. Cause it was over Christmas. But yeah, I, yeah, I think that, that whole rhetoric about, about Adelaide actors not getting opportunities is it's, it's there, but it's kind of bullshit. I think we should just ignore it and go for the roles anyway.

David John Clark (16:44)

All right.

Bye.

Chris Gun (17:07)

Because it's quite old school. And I think there were certain people that were spreading that and sabotaging the industry here and saying Adelaide actors can't act, which is bullshit. And we should move on from that and just face the fact that like there's no, what's the difference between Adelaide actor? Look, Damon Herriman's an Adelaide actor, you know? Yeah.

David John Clark (17:20)

Mmm.

Yeah, yeah, definitely. And comes back regularly, which is good to see. So I've seen

him at the airport a couple of times.

Chris Gun (17:34)

And there's more. There's more.

Obviously that's on top of my list in my head right now. But there's like, there's so much talent here. There's so much talent that's come out of here. I don't understand why that's a thing. But if you still think that, shut up.

David John Clark (17:45)

No, it's, it's

Exactly. And that's why I wanted to bring it up because I think that that thought process might perpetuate that and actors might, I mean, you said it yourself, you almost didn't submit because you didn't think you had that opportunity. You didn't think you were worthy of it, so to speak, but you did and you were worthy of it. I see a lot of actors don't commit.

Chris Gun (18:07)

Ahem.

David John Clark (18:09)

We get casting directors down for courses or we get good teachers down and then everyone's excited, but then no one signs up. So that perpetuates that myth of the, that unreliability. And I just wanted to really nail it on the head to show that if you think like that, you might get that coming out. But if you think that you can get make it and your role as, as Noel just shows that it can happen. So that's awesome.

Chris Gun (18:16)

Mm.

Yeah, definitely.

I think if you, if there's anything in you that tells you that you're, you're not worthy. I mean, what's the point in going for it? You know, you just, there's always going to be something in your head that's talking you out of going for something. I think, cause we, we naturally have a level of imposter syndrome or tall poppy syndrome.

David John Clark (18:45)

Exactly.

Chris Gun (19:02)

Yeah. You just, just, just go for anything. You know,

David John Clark (19:02)

Yeah.

Chris Gun (19:06)

like if, the opportunities come your way, just go for it. You might not get them, but, to be honest, like it is a barrier. Like being in Adelaide is a barrier because a lot of things are shot interstate and it's it, it logistically, it makes more sense to hire locally for them. but

David John Clark (19:12)

Of course.

Yeah, I got

in trouble once I went down and auditioned for Anousha Zarkesh in Canberra and flew down and everything like that. And there was a bit of miscommunication because I remember Carina reached out said, David would like to apply for that role and he's going to fly and there was no issues. But I think someone underneath Anousha said that was cool. And when I stood in front of her said, I've just flown in from Adelaide. She

didn't went off for one of the terms, but she got a little bit angry and it was, and she explained it quite openly. She said, look, we can't, we can't commit to casting calls if we need to, if we need a short term, you know, we, it's a short, a smaller budget. So that made perfect sense, but it doesn't mean you can't. They know you're in Adelaide. You tell them the truth. Don't lie. Don't say you're in Sydney if you can't be on a plane tomorrow morning, that sort of thing. So that's what I like to say.

Chris Gun (20:07)

Mm.

Definitely. Yeah. It's, it's definitely

a choice to be here. Like it is quieter. It's, not a lack of talent. It's a lack of, opportunity, I guess the, the machine is, is working faster on and more consistently over there, you know? So it's a choice to be here, but, don't think it's got anything to do with your skills. Yeah.

David John Clark (20:19)

Yeah. It's definitely getting better too. No, because

Upright was filmed here and I got really angry because I was on set just as background and there was five or six actors all flown in from Melbourne. Most of them were one liners. I said, what are you doing? We've got and yeah, nothing, they were all good, but there was certainly

on par with everyone that was available in Adelaide. So that annoyed me, but that's a long time ago. So I think it's changed a lot now, which is good. And that is probably the same for a lot of regional markets.

Chris Gun (20:53)

think so. But also I

think if you, have to also understand that like so much of the opportunities that arise in this industry are, it's who you know. And if you are, if you're mixing with that, that market in Melbourne all the time, you know, that's a factor. So again, like it is a choice to be here because it is quieter, but it's a very small pond. So it's easy to sort of

David John Clark (21:18)

Hmm Hmm

Chris Gun (21:21)

know everyone here. So if things do happen, you might come across their, their desk more often if you actually, it's a Adelaide production. If it's a Sydney or Melbourne production, even if it's shot here, there is a, there is a element of who you know. So yeah, again, it's a choice to be here and I'm choosing to be here for now. I don't know what the future holds.

If we end up moving to Melbourne or Sydney, I'll go, I'll do it. And it would be for me, it would be for the sake of being in Melbourne and Sydney. I'm not going to stop chasing, or pursuing my career just because I'm choosing to live in Adelaide right now, because I want to be around my family, you know? Yeah.

David John Clark (21:55)

Exactly. And you know,

The market is now worldwide. So people are auditioning for productions in the States and everything like that. So yeah, it's obviously hard and they're looking for someone with credits, but you never know when you've got that, just that little thing that they can't find anywhere else. So don't think you don't have it. Make sure you go for it guys. All right. Go on.

Chris Gun (22:14)

No, but while you're waiting,

while you're waiting for the opportunities, like, I mean, there's so much that you can be doing, while you wait, and there's more than just career, there things that can help your career. You need to be finding opportunities to practice the actual craft. There are so many independent and

David John Clark (22:19)

Hmm.

Of course.

Chris Gun (22:40)

student films and indie films that are being made here where you can really be responsible for reaching out to those filmmakers and saying, Hey, I want to be part of your film. And that's, that's going to benefit you. And build, build those credits and build that experience. Ultimately that's what you should be focusing on is building your skills as an actor and not getting, bogged down in the bitterness of

David John Clark (22:44)

Mm.

Chris Gun (23:06)

the fact that, all the career stuff, cause that's, that's one part of it, but really just become a good actor. That's the main thing. And, then all the other shit doesn't matter. You will get hired, eventually, or for some things, if you're a good actor.

David John Clark (23:09)

Yeah.

I agree. And you just got to keep having fun with it. That comes out all the time with every guest I speak to is when you're not having fun anymore, then what's the point?

Chris Gun (23:30)

That's right. On on the thing about like fun, like ultimately you got to ask yourself why you're doing it in the first place. There's no wrong answers to that. You know, everyone can do this for a different reason and everyone, every one of those reasons is perfectly legitimate. Someone might just want to do amateur theater because it gives them something to do

for three months of the year, a couple of times a year, once a year, and they've got a good community and they're not interested in pursuing anything and they're not interested in making any money from this. At the same time, someone might have a lot of really great stories to tell and they've got all these ideas in their head that they want to get down and they want to go and make their own films and make a big name for themselves, and that's also perfectly legitimate dream to chase.

David John Clark (24:11)

Yes.

Chris Gun (24:13)

But ask yourself why you're doing it in the first place and what do you actually get out of it? And even if it's that, that's

just the, the process of learning something new and the process of expressing yourself in any capacity, that's enough. Do you know what I mean? That's enough. Don't think of any of not reaching any point is some failure. Just make sure that you enjoy every single day. The process, even this, I enjoy this. I feel like an actor today because we're talking about acting and

making it, we're not making money right now. We're not, ⁓ we're not getting our name out there in a massive way.

A few people might watch this and that's lovely. And we might, we help some people, we might change someone's mind about something or help them consolidate something in their mind. And that's enough, that's enough for today. That's, that's a great thing to do as an actor today.

David John Clark (24:58)

It's done. And that's that's a great segue into what we both podcasts host. So with your podcast, you've built Go Pluck Yourself as P L U C K people. ⁓ You've built it into a space where actors and creatives share their honest journeys. Very similar to what I do, but from theater to TV festivals to film sets. So what sparked the idea to start this show and how did the Pluck yourself philosophy become your guiding star?

Chris Gun (25:06)

Yeah. Yeah.

What sparked the idea was a few things. In no particular order, a few things, but one of them was that there's this idea that we have to make content as creators just to get a name out there. And it's, it's like this awful grimy thing that we have to do, instead of doing the actual

David John Clark (25:41)

Ditto.

Chris Gun (25:46)

thing we want to be doing. We have to make content about the thing we want to be doing. It's disgusting, but it's a necessity and 2026 is such a weird time to be living. So there's that. So I was thinking, all right, what can I do? I have no idea what to say to a camera. It's hard to talk about yourself, but I know that I have really good conversations about acting when I talk to other actors. So there was that. So I started making these acting advice videos, like reels.

David John Clark (25:50)

Yeah.

Chris Gun (26:14)

You know how I did the Better Man reels. I did the three part series on how I got the, the roles. Yeah. So, so I made that and I was like, ⁓ that was like, I didn't mean to make that. And it ended up like, I was really proud of that thing. And it was way too much work. There's no way could keep up with that every week. It was, you know, it killed me making those things, for, know, a minute and a half worth of content. Yeah. Ridiculous. But I started making these advice videos and things like, how do you deal with nerves on set

David John Clark (26:16)

Yes, yeah, that was good.

you ⁓

Chris Gun (26:42)

and one of them, was Go Pluck Yourself. Just me talking to the camera. In fact, the first episode of Go Pluck Yourself is a little teaser episode and it's a minute and a half long. That was the script that I used as, one of those advice reels that I made. So that was supposed to be just a real, ⁓ and it was me saying, go Pluck yourself. You know, I used to think that when I was.

David John Clark (27:02)

Yep.

Chris Gun (27:06)

you know, upcoming, someone's going to Pluck me out of the crowd and you know, all that shit. I made like five advice videos and I didn't release any of them because I realized that I don't, mean, I have, I could give advice, but I don't really have any authority to be giving advice. And some of the advice I just think advice is weird. You know, it's unsolicited and it's, and I'm a

a straight white dude on the internet, you know, it's, it's, know, yeah. So I didn't release any of these advice videos because I didn't want to be the acting advice guy. I want to be an actor and I want to be known as an actor, not the guy that gives acting advice, which is perfectly fine by the way, for all those acting advice actors that are making content with acting advice. ⁓ I just think everyone should.

David John Clark (27:48)

Yeah.

Because we listen to

them. Yeah, we listen to them.

Chris Gun (28:01)

We listen to them, but also,

also there, there are some really bad acting advice out there. And I think we should be really careful with what we, what we consume. And so I always say like, take it, take it all with a pinch of salt. So I didn't release any of these acting advice videos. I thought the go Pluck yourself thing. I was like, maybe this would be better if I have.

David John Clark (28:05)

Of course.

Yeah, definitely.

Chris Gun (28:24)

I turned this into a podcast because I think I'd around that time I'd been on a few sets and I was, I was driving to set with someone. And we had this really, really good chat and it happened a few times. I'd like if I was ever driving to set with someone who would have these really good chats, like this about acting and what's going on for you at the moment. Like, yeah, this thing, isn't annoying that Adelaide actors never get any, you know, all that kind of stuff.

David John Clark (28:42)

Yeah.

Love it.

Chris Gun (28:50)

And I thought, man, we should just record this like driving in the car, just chuck a mic in the car and just record this conversation. ⁓ So then I thought, well,

I'll just, I'll just start the podcast. And I took the name from that first reel that I'd made,

Chris Gun (29:04)

Go Pluck Yourself. I was going to call it, Fameless, like Smartless, but Fameless, but yeah, you know. I mean, look, I love it. I love it on the nose pun. I can't walk past one. So, Go Pluck.

David John Clark (29:11)

But I love it. Yeah. that reminds me. So

there's another podcast she's called hers, One Broke Actress. It's the name of her podcast. It's similar sort of concept. Yeah. ⁓

Chris Gun (29:24)

⁓ yeah. Yes, I know that one. Another one. ⁓ there's

another one. There's another one that I found recently, which is very similar to what we do. It's called Off Duty Actors. And ⁓ she's in Brisbane. I checked her podcast out. It's good. Same sort of thing, you know.

David John Clark (29:35)

Haven't heard that one.

Nice. Yeah.

So continuing on, talking about your podcast, which this is great because, and you alluded to it before, it's, ⁓ (a) there's a little bit of selfishness there about getting your own image out there and your own point of view, but it's about finding people to talk about the issues that we all talk about as actors. So you've had some amazing guests already.

I just wanted to bring up, so you had Eric Thompson on recently, Lucas Sadellas, Adelaide actress and Damon Herriman, Adelaide again. They're all actors at very different stages of their careers, but they all seem to point to the same underlying truth about the industry. What do you think this is? Is it more about, do they talk about, it's more about talent or do they lean to being more about mindset and persistence?

Chris Gun (30:12)

Mm-hmm.

Yes.

I don't think any of them have really pointed towards talent. I don't think, I think they're all, they are all very talented, but they're all too humble to talk about that. I think talent is one of those things that comes with, input, like the amount of time you put into something and consistency and

David John Clark (30:41)

Of course.

Chris Gun (30:56)

finding ways to train and humble yourself. Is that the right, I don't know, you it's my first day on earth, sorry. Well, I'm just trying to figure this place out. Well, yeah, what was your question? Like what was the sort of driving theme from all these different actors in different stages of their career, you mean?

David John Clark (30:58)

What a bad day to pick everyone going on in the world.

Yeah,

yeah, I sort of prompted a little bit because what I got from it that they'd never talked about them, their talent. It was always about their mindset and persistence. And that's a big theme that I get all the time. And I always joke about my wife's going to stick her head in now and laugh at me, point at me, because she says, you've got to do mindfulness. You've got to, you've got to work on your mindset. And that seems to be the biggest thing. And I just distinctly remember all three of them really focusing on that, that they just, they just did the work.

Chris Gun (31:26)

Mm.

Mmm.

David John Clark (31:50)

And they had the fun, which we've already talked about. do you see that as a recurring theme with all the actors? Hmm. Hmm. Yeah, seems to be anyway.

Chris Gun (31:50)

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, for sure. There's so many themes that come up in these conversations, I think. But yeah, that's definitely a theme. And it's a bit of a cliche, know, the whole mindset thing. It's a very podcast word. But yeah, sure,

it is about your mindset. And it's also quite a vague description as well. But, you know, I what does that mean to you? What does that, what comes to mind when I say that, like mindset?

David John Clark (32:26)

See, I look at my mindset as I've got to correct the negative mindset. I have that all the time. And we started the show talking about it, about the Adelaide actors having this mindset that we're not going to make it if we're in Adelaide. It's about having that positive mindset, no matter where you are, is how I'm seeing it. Because Damon Herriman's from Adelaide, so he made it. He made it out.

Chris Gun (32:39)

Yeah.

David John Clark (32:51)

That sounds like the movie. He made it out. But, you know what I mean? It's about that positive mindset that seems to come through. And that's what I'd like to focus on a lot is saying so many actors go, well, who am I? I'm just David Clark. I don't look too great on camera and, you know, am I a good actor? Am I going to make it? You know, it's always this am I, am I, am I, or I will, I will,

Chris Gun (32:51)

I

He made it out.

Yeah, I see what you mean. I think for those guys, like those actors, yeah, there's an element of like positivity. Like, I mean, if you were just miserable and negative about it all the time, you would just stop trying, right? There's so there's obviously bit of that, optimism. A lot of these actors are

David John Clark (33:29)

Hmm.

Chris Gun (33:35)

more realists, think, especially I think Damon said that in his episode, he was saying he's just a realist. He didn't think

David John Clark (33:40)

Hmm.

Chris Gun (33:42)

he actually didn't think anything would happen. He didn't think he would get picked. And I think a lot of us think that we're not going to get chosen for roles. But we also recognize that that is the reality of the industry that it's very unlikely that we're going to win a role over someone else. It's it's very unlikely that we're going to

have a consistent career. That's just how it is. ⁓ So, yeah, exactly. So it's a choice. It's a lifestyle choice, knowing that you probably won't. But if you're going to pursue this, it's going to take a constant battle of rejection. And I don't know, just just you have to continually

David John Clark (34:04)

Across the board.

Chris Gun (34:24)

move on to the next thing as soon as the last thing is finished or the last experience is done, the last rejection happens. You got to move on to the next thing. You have to really love doing it to pursue this thing because it's a, there's a really small chance of anything actually happening. And when they do it's so, it's so few and far between. I think these guys, the theme is really like, it's, it's a, have to be realistic and you have to understand how this industry works.

David John Clark (34:39)

Definitely.

Chris Gun (34:49)

Otherwise you fall into the trap of beating yourself up and blaming yourself, and looking too introspectively and thinking, ⁓ is it because of me? I mean, it might be because of your, it might be because of someone's mindset or like, or they might actually want it too much, you know, they might be too desperate and they're not actually focusing on what they should be focusing on, which is the work, the actual craft.

David John Clark (34:52)

Yeah.

Mm.

Chris Gun (35:15)

And people are too consumed in this other thing, which is the career or whatever their idea of success is.

David John Clark (35:24)

I've spoken to so many actors who talk about self-tape, for example, and or additions in the room when they used to be a thing. And it comes across quite quick when you know, someone's desperate and they want the job. They lose that, that acting. ⁓ So that's about

Chris Gun (35:39)

yeah.

David John Clark (35:44)

loosening yourself, so to speak. So I think you had Nick Launchbury on a couple of episodes back. So he does a lot of self-tape working here in Adelaide. He spoke a lot about that too, about getting that relaxed state in, in the room. Did you, would you agree?

Chris Gun (35:59)

Oh yeah.

Oh hell yeah. Relaxation is like so important. It's so easy to get into your head in an audition or in any, in any situation, like on a set, it's really easy to get in your own head. There's, are so many things that can, so many factors that can affect your, your mind, you know, your head.

David John Clark (36:11)

Hmm.

Mm.

Chris Gun (36:24)

your head space,

Obviously nerves are a big thing. You have to understand how you handle your own nerves and when what you do with your nerves, when they come, because they will happen, like nerves will happen. They're okay. They will happen, but you need to, you need to experience what it feels like to have nerves to understand how you deal with them so that you can, again, put them aside for a moment and get on with the job. So there's one thing and there's what people think

of you if that's the thing that goes through your head, you have to understand how you deal with that feeling of what people are, what people's perception of you are. And is that actually important? Does that matter? Like, I don't know if you want to be liked, maybe, but is that important as well? I don't know, there's just so many things that can affect your mindset when you're going in for an audition. And I think it's about recognizing all those things that come up for you. And

And one by one, finding methods to handle them so that you can put them all aside and just really be relaxed and present and get on with the job, which is connecting to this character and listening, listening to your scene partner and listening to the director, listening to the casting directors and collaborating, putting all that other shit aside and going, all right, yeah, sure. I'm nervous. Whatever. I'm nervous all the time. ⁓

David John Clark (37:45)

Do it. Hmm.

Chris Gun (37:46)

Get on with this thing. I gotta listen. I gotta lock in, you know?

David John Clark (37:47)

I mean, I mean, it's bit fun. mean, even this I'm comfortable in my space here with my recordings, too, but I've still got the red rash because I'm so focused. I've got so many things I'm worried about. You know, what's my next question of, how am I going to prelude to that? Am I getting my upload? And, so my brain is still doing 100 things. We don't want that in the room. You just, you know,

Chris Gun (38:02)

Mm.

Hmm.

David John Clark (38:12)

Camera's on, just go in, deliver it. you've got to find that thing. Get in, get out is a big thing I've heard a lot for auditions. ⁓

Chris Gun (38:20)

Yeah, I guess so. Get in, get out.

I think I get in and be there. Just be there. Like, find some presence in the room. you know. Own it. Yeah. Again, like, there's all this. I think a trap that people fall into is, is they are so caught up in the career stuff and what the goal of the audition is.

David John Clark (38:29)

Yeah.

Own it.

Chris Gun (38:48)

And for some people, the goal of the audition is to do a good job. And like, obviously that's what you want to do, but that's not the goal of the audition. The goal is of the audition is for you. It's a chance for you to, you've done the work before you gone in. You've read the script a hundred times. You've read the scene a hundred times. You've analyzed that you've found ways to connect to it. You've, you figured out how to understand the context of the script, the context of that scene.

David John Clark (38:54)

Hmm.

Chris Gun (39:17)

What's the purpose of this scene? What's happening for this character? All that stuff. That's all the work. That's this shit you have to do. If you've done all that, when you walk into the room, that's what's on your mind. You should walk into that room loving your character and understanding, all right, I'm going to go in there and do justice for this character. Rather than going and going, God, I hope I don't embarrass myself. Because it's so disconnected to what your character is. Is your character thinking about winning a role? No, your character is thinking about

the fact that he burnt his toast, that's all he's got on his mind. Aaagh, shit. I burnt my toast. This is the worst day ever. You know, that's all it's that's, that's what you should be worrying about. So I think people get really caught up on, on, and it's totally understandable, but that's what, that's what experience is for. That's what the reps are for. Get in front of a camera as many times as you can and experience what it feels like to be nervous and mess up an audition over and over and over again.

David John Clark (39:53)

Mm.

Of course.

Definitely.

Chris Gun (40:14)

But every time you do it, make sure that you thinking back on that experience and going, all right, what was I feeling in that? Where was I in my head? Where was I? Was I thinking about the audition? Was I thinking about winning the audition or was I thinking about the burnt toast? And was I listening? Was I listening to was I listening to the director and going, all right, yeah, let's try that. Yeah,

let's try that version, you know, whatever. Yeah.

David John Clark (40:41)

I love that. and this is coming from you're very, very similar to me that both of us don't have that formal training, so to speak, and you've spoken about it on your show a lot. So how do you see with the actors that you've spoken to and thinking about your own journey as well, that the differences between the actors who've done the formal approach or who've not done the formal approach because you've got

successful actors who have done both. Some have been to the three year drama school and others haven't. So, and me and you are on the same page. We're both building our career abilities through on set experience, so to speak, and classes. If you had to recommend to someone, which way would you choose a path to recommend?

Chris Gun (41:26)

I couldn't recommend either one over

the other. I think both options are really viable options and really you're going to get a lot out of either option. And it's so dependent on where you are in your life and ⁓ your privilege in life. Studying is very expensive. It takes a long time. You'll be out of the industry for three or four years.

David John Clark (41:42)

Hmm.

Chris Gun (41:55)

Can you afford to do that? And if you can't, that's fine. Cause there's another option, which is workshops, short films, life experience, talking to other actors, podcasts, amateur theater. There's so many other options where you can learn, but you should always be a student. You should always be learning every, every opportunity, everything you go and do every

David John Clark (41:57)

Hmm.

Chris Gun (42:25)

experience that you have, should be going, you should go in with a student mindset, no matter what, whether you're studying or not. In terms of studying, I think that's also a really fantastic option. I think I've, I think there's a lot of things that I've missed out on because I didn't do formal training. ⁓ And I think you can pick up on it, afterwards, eventually, anyway, you can all the all the things, yeah, you can, you can pick up on it by

David John Clark (42:40)

Yeah, I agree.

Chris Gun (42:51)

doing all those things that I just explained. But yeah, there's heaps that I don't know that I wish I did know. ⁓ But I don't regret the pathway that I took because it's my pathway and I've developed my unique way of doing things and I'm happy with that. But I'm not finished. I'm never finished. I've never reached

David John Clark (43:01)

I agree.

Chris Gun (43:21)

some tear in my head of now I'm an actor. I mean, I feel like I am an actor, but I I've never stopped learning and I never ever want to feel that. And as soon as I feel that I'm failing because I will stop growing. I don't know if I would say my advice, not that anyone's asking for it and don't listen to my advice ever because I didn't study. It's not it's not advice, but my thought would be. Look into look into it, look into

David John Clark (43:28)

No, I love that. ⁓

Hahaha.

Chris Gun (43:49)

drama school, look into it. And if you can afford it, if you are happy to not be in the industry for three or four years, my friends that studied at the Drama Center are all getting, they are all such talented actors and they're all getting work, they're all getting work in theater, they're all getting on lots of different projects. They are fantastic actors and

there's something about them that I envy because they seem to know something that I don't know and it's amazing and I think they're magical actors. But at the same time, I know a lot of actors that didn't study that are also really, really talented and they have their own unique way of doing things and they are on a constant pursuit to learn. So there's no answer, but explore them both.

David John Clark (44:30)

Yeah, no, there isn't.

But I mean, on the flip side of that as well, I know plenty of actors and there are plenty of actors who did three or four years at drama school and they've got no work. They're not getting work. And when you do see them, go, yeah, they're not too bad. And, know, even for yourself, I've seen you on screen and, without formal training, you've got a screen presence itself. And that's what it is. So that's what I wanted to...

Chris Gun (44:42)

you

Thanks, man. Thank you.

David John Clark (44:59)

to get, and I like to get from a lot of people, just to showcase to people that there are no one way to do it. And your podcast shows that and my podcast shows it and the people we talk to. As we wind up, I want to start with the people you've spoken to so far. What have you taken away as an actor? Do you feel like that you've grown from the things that you've learned? Is there any one thing that stands out to go, I walked away

Chris Gun (45:05)

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

David John Clark (45:25)

a better person or a better actor because of something I've learnt. Yeah. Well, cause you, as you talk to differing actors, do you find that, well, I find when I talk to someone, I walk away so much more motivated as well. That's my biggest takeaway.

Chris Gun (45:28)

On the podcast?

Yeah, there's so much.

Yeah.

There's so much, man. I don't know. ⁓ With the podcast, think it, it, I learned so much, but it also solidifies a lot of thoughts that I've been having, for me, you know, it, helps me sort of reconcile, the way I think about this whole process, this industry, the approach to the industry.

David John Clark (45:45)

Yeah.

Chris Gun (46:06)

I can't really put my finger on one thing, but it's everything we've been talking about. It's like, you never stop learning. Everyone's here to collaborate together. It's not about hierarchy, it's about collaboration. And as long as we're supporting each other, go in as a team player. ⁓

I don't know, I can't really put my finger on one thing, but you know, if you, yeah. Sure.

David John Clark (46:29)

I know. I think you put your finger on it right there. That was that it's a sound bite in itself, as they say. That was, you know, that's

what we're talking about. That's I love that. That's an excellent way to finish up as well, because that's what I like to talk to people about. And it's about showing that the motivation can come from so many different areas. And so I thank you very much for that. So as Chris.

Chris Gun (46:39)

Mm.

Mm.

David John Clark (46:56)

Before I go and ask my final question, is there anything else that you want to throw out that we haven't talked about or anything that's driving you crazy in the industry at the moment that we can talk about as a team? Or is it just?

Chris Gun (47:08)

In the industry,

look, I would say this to people, to everyone that's feeling jaded about the fact that they're not getting work. There's not a lot of work at the moment. It's not you. know, it's...

David John Clark (47:30)

It's not you, me.

Chris Gun (47:34)

not that you're not being chosen. It's that the industry is really, really quiet and the industry doesn't know what it's doing at the moment. It's really quiet and it's working itself out. It's easy to blame yourself and it's easy to start saying these things about yourself like, I'm just not a very good actor. I'll never, I'll never make it. And that might be true, but.

It's also a huge thing is a huge part of that is the fact that there's not a lot of work happening at the moment. So in the meantime, go and practice acting, go and find ways to be humbled do a workshop and ask for honest feedback and really listen, really listen and write that down and go, okay, how can I find a way to apply this feedback into my work and figure out how to actually

David John Clark (48:10)

Mm.

Chris Gun (48:21)

adopt this feedback. Try things out and figure out your way of doing the doing this thing. Really listen, that's it. That's a big thing. But don't blame yourself for the fact that you're not getting work at the moment, because it's just not a lot of work. It's not your agent's fault, by the way. It's not your agent. It's, it's no one's fault. It's just the industry is quiet. you know.

David John Clark (48:29)

Agree. No, definitely not.

And that's around the world. Americans are talking about it. There's issues that changing. There's funding changes. People want to make the millions, but they don't want to spend the millions. So it makes it very difficult across the board.

Chris Gun (48:43)

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, there's a bottleneck.

There's a bottleneck of, of work. It's bottlenecking at the what's the what's the word, the development stage, heaps of work in development, but no one wants to buy it. you know.

David John Clark (49:00)

Yeah, definitely.

Yeah. And the other problem there too, is that everything's filtering down. It happened a lot during COVID that because of that lack of work. So now you've got the top tier actors who only went for top tier roles. They're now taking, support roles, et cetera, which bumps everyone down. So it makes everything harder for everybody. So, ⁓

Chris Gun (49:16)

Mm.

I would say

don't wait for, if you have in your head that there are gatekeepers at the top that are holding the key for your career, they don't exist. They don't know what's happening either. Go and find filmmakers that you wanna work with and go and make something. Even if it's a piece of shit, go and make something, get a rep in front of a camera, like a repetition in front of the camera, and just go be bad until you're good.

David John Clark (49:42)

Yes, definitely.

Chris Gun (49:46)

Make stuff, make something and be an artist, get it out, get it off your chest as an artist for the sake of making stuff, not for the sake of proving to everyone that you're good, that's what I would say.

David John Clark (49:54)

Exactly.

48 hour film challenge for Adelaide has been moved forward. It's in August this year. So that's not far away. You plan for that. That's in most regional markets. So for everyone that's listening from around the world, you can find the 48 hour film challenge and do that yourself. Students, they've got filmmakers are in every, every university around the world. So they're all opportunities.

Chris Gun (49:58)

Yeah, Yeah, do that. That's a great one.

Thank

David John Clark (50:16)

Chris, thank you very much. This has been absolutely fantastic.

Chris Gun (50:19)

It's a pleasure, man. Thanks

for having me on. is this is really nice.

David John Clark (50:22)

It is, and you don't get away that easy. I've got a tradition that's going on on the show that I ask my guests. What would their favorite t-shirt quote be? What would their t-shirt be? If they had to put a quote on it and be willing to walk around in public in it, what would yours be? And it doesn't have to be acting related. It can be whatever you want. Whoa, yeah. I love it.

Chris Gun (50:27)

Okay.

Okay, doesn't have to be my t-shirt would say ⁓ my my t-shirt would say "Eyes up here, buddy!"

You know, I said that

it'll say that or it'll say "Go Pluck Yourself". It might say something. It might say go _____ yourself. But I see I beeped that out myself. I'm a very good boy.

David John Clark (50:52)

Go Pluck Yourself. I love it.

I love it. love it. think

Sienna from my last episode, she had that as her t-shirt. We decided that the t-shirt would be F star hash. So she wouldn't get in the shit out in the public. So awesome. Thank you, Chris. It's been fantastic. Pleasure. Ladies and gentlemen, make sure you look up Go Pluck Yourself. It's on all good podcast platforms. Where else can they look you up? And if they want to check you out or reach out to you.

Chris Gun (51:09)

I like it.

⁓

You can also watch Go Pluck Yourself on YouTube. Just search it. You can also check out my Instagram, which is @ featuring underscore Chris underscore gun @featuring_chris_gun. Yeah, that's about it. One in, one in. Thanks man.

David John Clark (51:35)

And that's one in G-U-N. One in. And I'll put the links in the show notes. Thank you everyone

for joining us on the Late Bloomer podcast. And Chris again, thank you very much. It's been a pleasure, I'll see you on set. Cheers, man.

Chris Gun (51:47)

It's my pleasure, mate. Thanks, Dave. Cheers, mate. I'll see you there.

David John Clark (51:51)

Well, there you go guys. That was Chris Gun from Go Pluck Yourself, fellow Adelaide actor and a fellow podcaster. If you haven't checked out his podcast, make sure you do. I've listened to every episode. I'm very supportive in that way, but also because it's fantastic. The people he gets to talk to, both Adelaide actors and actors from outside of Adelaide brings so much

information and that's what it is, is about learning, about taking something away that you might be able to use in your own acting career. So reflecting on my chat with Chris, what did I take away? I took away the powerful reminder that success in acting is not solely about talent, but it's also about mindset. And there's that word again, mindset. And again, I go, my wife's going to come in and say, told you, mindset, resilience, persistence, and the willingness to embrace opportunities.

wherever they arise. Chris' story is a testament to the fact that regional actors can indeed make a mark on the global stage. His journey underscores the importance of staying true to one's passion, continuously honing one's craft and maintaining a positive outlook despite the industry's challenges. And they're bigger and bigger at the moment, but the world is just going through so much, but you just got to keep pushing through. This conversation has left me inspired and it's motivated

me to keep pushing forward in my own acting journey. So hopefully you get the same from this. Thank you very much. We'll see you on set, guys.